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		<title>By: Likwidacja szkod</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/03/11/the-israel-lobby-and-gentile-power/#comment-45902</link>
		<dc:creator>Likwidacja szkod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Handy article, thank you very much :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Handy article, thank you very much <img src='http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Why AIPAC Is Good For The Jews &#8212; and For Everyone Else - Walter Russell Mead's Blog - The American Interest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why AIPAC Is Good For The Jews &#8212; and For Everyone Else - Walter Russell Mead's Blog - The American Interest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jewish) members bring to the table than because of the widespread sense in Washington that being pro-Israel is the popular position in the United States, and that if AIPAC blasts you as anti-Israel, the charge tends to stick.  If you think US Middle [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Watcher of Weasels &#187; The Council has Spoken 031910</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/03/11/the-israel-lobby-and-gentile-power/#comment-3512</link>
		<dc:creator>Watcher of Weasels &#187; The Council has Spoken 031910</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] conspiracy theory is as wrong in this case as it is in all the others.  I wrote about this in yesterday’s post; the power of the Israel lobby in American politics stems from its relationship to gentile public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] conspiracy theory is as wrong in this case as it is in all the others.  I wrote about this in yesterday’s post; the power of the Israel lobby in American politics stems from its relationship to gentile public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sophie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/03/11/the-israel-lobby-and-gentile-power/#comment-3426</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PRETRIB  RAPTURE  POLITICS
                  
   Many are still unaware of the eccentric, 180-year-old British theory underlying the politics of American evangelicals and Christian Zionists.
   Journalist and historian Dave MacPherson has spent more than 40 years focusing on the origin and spread of what is known as the apocalyptic &quot;pretribulation rapture&quot; - the inspiration behind Hal Lindsey&#039;s bestsellers of the 1970s and Tim LaHaye&#039;s today.
   Although promoters of this endtime evacuation from earth constantly repeat their slogan that &quot;it&#039;s imminent and always has been&quot; (which critics view more as a sales pitch than a scriptural statement), it was unknown in all official theology and organized religion before 1830.
   And MacPherson&#039;s research also reveals how hostile the pretrib rapture view has been to other faiths:
   It is anti-Islam. TV preacher John Hagee has been advocating &quot;a pre-emptive military strike against Iran.&quot; (Google &quot;Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism.&quot;)
   It is anti-Jewish. MacPherson&#039;s book &quot;The Rapture Plot&quot; (see Armageddon Books etc.) exposes hypocritical anti-Jewishness in even the theory&#039;s foundation.
   It is anti-Catholic. Lindsey and C. I. Scofield are two of many leaders who claim that the final Antichrist will be a Roman Catholic. (Google &quot;Pretrib Hypocrisy.&quot;)
   It is anti-Protestant. For this reason no major Protestant denomination has ever adopted this escapist view.
   It even has some anti-evangelical aspects. The first publication promoting this novel endtime view spoke degradingly of &quot;the name by which the mixed multitude of modern Moabites love to be distinguished, - the Evangelical World.&quot; (MacPherson&#039;s &quot;Plot,&quot; p. 85)
   Despite the above, MacPherson proves that the &quot;glue&quot; that holds constantly in-fighting evangelicals together long enough to be victorious voting blocs in elections is the same &quot;fly away&quot; view. He notes that Jerry Falwell, when giving political speeches just before an election, would unfailingly state: &quot;We believe in the pretribulational rapture!&quot;
   In addition to &quot;The Rapture Plot,&quot; MacPherson&#039;s many internet articles include &quot;Famous Rapture Watchers,&quot; &quot;Pretrib Rapture Diehards,&quot; &quot;Edward Irving is Unnerving,&quot; &quot;America&#039;s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,&quot; &quot;Thomas Ice (Bloopers),&quot; &quot;Pretrib Rapture Secrecy&quot; and &quot;Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty&quot; (massive plagiarism, phony doctorates, changing of early &quot;rapture&quot; documents in order to falsely credit John Darby with this view, etc.!).
   Because of his devastating discoveries, MacPherson is now No. 1 on the &quot;hate&quot; list of pretrib rapture leaders!
   There&#039;s no question that the leading promoters of this bizarre 19th century end-of-the-world doctrine are solidly pro-Israel and necessarily anti-Palestinian. In light of recently uncovered facts about this fringe-British-invented belief which has always been riddled with dishonesty, many are wondering why it should ever have any influence on Middle East affairs.
   This Johnny-come-lately view raises millions of dollars for political agendas. Only when scholars of all faiths begin to look deeply at it and widely air its &quot;dirty linen&quot; will it cease to be a power. It is the one theological view no one needs!
   With apologies to Winston Churchill - never has so much deception been foisted on so many by so few!

[Also Google &quot;David Letterman&#039;s Hate, Etc.&quot;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PRETRIB  RAPTURE  POLITICS</p>
<p>   Many are still unaware of the eccentric, 180-year-old British theory underlying the politics of American evangelicals and Christian Zionists.<br />
   Journalist and historian Dave MacPherson has spent more than 40 years focusing on the origin and spread of what is known as the apocalyptic &#8220;pretribulation rapture&#8221; &#8211; the inspiration behind Hal Lindsey&#8217;s bestsellers of the 1970s and Tim LaHaye&#8217;s today.<br />
   Although promoters of this endtime evacuation from earth constantly repeat their slogan that &#8220;it&#8217;s imminent and always has been&#8221; (which critics view more as a sales pitch than a scriptural statement), it was unknown in all official theology and organized religion before 1830.<br />
   And MacPherson&#8217;s research also reveals how hostile the pretrib rapture view has been to other faiths:<br />
   It is anti-Islam. TV preacher John Hagee has been advocating &#8220;a pre-emptive military strike against Iran.&#8221; (Google &#8220;Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism.&#8221;)<br />
   It is anti-Jewish. MacPherson&#8217;s book &#8220;The Rapture Plot&#8221; (see Armageddon Books etc.) exposes hypocritical anti-Jewishness in even the theory&#8217;s foundation.<br />
   It is anti-Catholic. Lindsey and C. I. Scofield are two of many leaders who claim that the final Antichrist will be a Roman Catholic. (Google &#8220;Pretrib Hypocrisy.&#8221;)<br />
   It is anti-Protestant. For this reason no major Protestant denomination has ever adopted this escapist view.<br />
   It even has some anti-evangelical aspects. The first publication promoting this novel endtime view spoke degradingly of &#8220;the name by which the mixed multitude of modern Moabites love to be distinguished, &#8211; the Evangelical World.&#8221; (MacPherson&#8217;s &#8220;Plot,&#8221; p. 85)<br />
   Despite the above, MacPherson proves that the &#8220;glue&#8221; that holds constantly in-fighting evangelicals together long enough to be victorious voting blocs in elections is the same &#8220;fly away&#8221; view. He notes that Jerry Falwell, when giving political speeches just before an election, would unfailingly state: &#8220;We believe in the pretribulational rapture!&#8221;<br />
   In addition to &#8220;The Rapture Plot,&#8221; MacPherson&#8217;s many internet articles include &#8220;Famous Rapture Watchers,&#8221; &#8220;Pretrib Rapture Diehards,&#8221; &#8220;Edward Irving is Unnerving,&#8221; &#8220;America&#8217;s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,&#8221; &#8220;Thomas Ice (Bloopers),&#8221; &#8220;Pretrib Rapture Secrecy&#8221; and &#8220;Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty&#8221; (massive plagiarism, phony doctorates, changing of early &#8220;rapture&#8221; documents in order to falsely credit John Darby with this view, etc.!).<br />
   Because of his devastating discoveries, MacPherson is now No. 1 on the &#8220;hate&#8221; list of pretrib rapture leaders!<br />
   There&#8217;s no question that the leading promoters of this bizarre 19th century end-of-the-world doctrine are solidly pro-Israel and necessarily anti-Palestinian. In light of recently uncovered facts about this fringe-British-invented belief which has always been riddled with dishonesty, many are wondering why it should ever have any influence on Middle East affairs.<br />
   This Johnny-come-lately view raises millions of dollars for political agendas. Only when scholars of all faiths begin to look deeply at it and widely air its &#8220;dirty linen&#8221; will it cease to be a power. It is the one theological view no one needs!<br />
   With apologies to Winston Churchill &#8211; never has so much deception been foisted on so many by so few!</p>
<p>[Also Google "David Letterman's Hate, Etc."]</p>
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		<title>By: Udolpho.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/03/11/the-israel-lobby-and-gentile-power/#comment-3271</link>
		<dc:creator>Udolpho.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>utterly specious...a) the majority of gentiles do not really care one way or the other about Israel, b) Jews who don&#039;t take the Likud hard line still do care very much about Israel and want us intertwined in its politics, and c) it is the establishment elite that enforces the current narrow spectrum of debate vis-a-vis Israel

and who dominates this establishment elite by virtue of its higher IQ? GOOD QUESTION!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>utterly specious&#8230;a) the majority of gentiles do not really care one way or the other about Israel, b) Jews who don&#8217;t take the Likud hard line still do care very much about Israel and want us intertwined in its politics, and c) it is the establishment elite that enforces the current narrow spectrum of debate vis-a-vis Israel</p>
<p>and who dominates this establishment elite by virtue of its higher IQ? GOOD QUESTION!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Solomon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/03/11/the-israel-lobby-and-gentile-power/#comment-3232</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam Garfinkle noted that this was an Anglo-American phenomenon and I&#039;d have to agree. The British affinity with Zionism goes back hundreds of years, but was most critical following WWI. One of the most important British Christian Zionists was the Prime Minister David Lloyd George. Lloyd George was committed to Zionism as a matter of his own religious convictions.  He once said “I was taught in school far more about the history of the Jews than about the history of my own land”. He also said “I could tell you all the kings of Israel. But I doubt whether I could have named half a dozen of the kings of England!”  It was his faith that compelled him to gain control of Palestine and to thwart any efforts by the French to interfere, and in doing so, he saw himself to be doing God’s work.  This is what motivated him to launch a full-scale offensive to seize Palestine at great risk to British lives and treasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Garfinkle noted that this was an Anglo-American phenomenon and I&#8217;d have to agree. The British affinity with Zionism goes back hundreds of years, but was most critical following WWI. One of the most important British Christian Zionists was the Prime Minister David Lloyd George. Lloyd George was committed to Zionism as a matter of his own religious convictions.  He once said “I was taught in school far more about the history of the Jews than about the history of my own land”. He also said “I could tell you all the kings of Israel. But I doubt whether I could have named half a dozen of the kings of England!”  It was his faith that compelled him to gain control of Palestine and to thwart any efforts by the French to interfere, and in doing so, he saw himself to be doing God’s work.  This is what motivated him to launch a full-scale offensive to seize Palestine at great risk to British lives and treasure.</p>
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		<title>By: Is This Lobby Different From All Others? - Walter Russell Mead's Blog - The American Interest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is This Lobby Different From All Others? - Walter Russell Mead's Blog - The American Interest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#160; homepage current issue subscribe search by author search by title back issues contact        Previous Post      remove this ad &#160;   Posted on March 12th, 2010 Is This Lobby Different From All Others? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &nbsp; homepage current issue subscribe search by author search by title back issues contact        Previous Post      remove this ad &nbsp;   Posted on March 12th, 2010 Is This Lobby Different From All Others? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fw</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/03/11/the-israel-lobby-and-gentile-power/#comment-3210</link>
		<dc:creator>fw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, to quote Sollazzo, from the Godfather, &quot;You think too much of me, kid.  I am not that clever.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, to quote Sollazzo, from the Godfather, &#8220;You think too much of me, kid.  I am not that clever.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Lea</title>
		<link>http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/03/11/the-israel-lobby-and-gentile-power/#comment-3209</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norwegian Shooter asks, &quot;Luke, how do you propose American Jews might accomplish your quite ambitious list?&quot;

Answer: that is what Jewish genius is for.  Seriously.  We need help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norwegian Shooter asks, &#8220;Luke, how do you propose American Jews might accomplish your quite ambitious list?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer: that is what Jewish genius is for.  Seriously.  We need help.</p>
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		<title>By: fw</title>
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		<dc:creator>fw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a quotation from Hussein Ibish, of the American Task Force on Palestine, in an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg:


&quot;The other thing that they&#039;ve missed completely, and this is sort of the amazing thing, is the total transformation in American official policy toward the Palestinians over the past 20 years. Twenty-one years ago, there was no contact ever between the U.S. and the PLO. No contact, zero, and no Palestinian statehood is the consensus American foreign policy and it is a national security priority under Obama. People in the House, key positions like the chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Howard Berman, chair of the Subcommittee on the Middle East, Gary Ackerman, Nita Lowey on Appropriations - all of them Jewish American members of Congress, stalwart supporters of Israel, and all of them committed to peace based on two states. And all of them, by the way, who were on the host committee of the American Task Force on Palestine gala last week.&quot; 

So, as Ibish, a forceful advocate for Palestine points out, there has been a sea change in attitudes in Washington toward Palestine in the last two decades, embodied in part by Jewish legislators.  Now if the most retrograde members of AIPAC had the clout commonly ascribed to them, would they have permitted a consensus supporting the creation of a Palestinian state to emerge in Congress?  Again, there are, as Walter suggests real limitations to AIPAC&#039;s influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a quotation from Hussein Ibish, of the American Task Force on Palestine, in an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg:</p>
<p>&#8220;The other thing that they&#8217;ve missed completely, and this is sort of the amazing thing, is the total transformation in American official policy toward the Palestinians over the past 20 years. Twenty-one years ago, there was no contact ever between the U.S. and the PLO. No contact, zero, and no Palestinian statehood is the consensus American foreign policy and it is a national security priority under Obama. People in the House, key positions like the chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Howard Berman, chair of the Subcommittee on the Middle East, Gary Ackerman, Nita Lowey on Appropriations &#8211; all of them Jewish American members of Congress, stalwart supporters of Israel, and all of them committed to peace based on two states. And all of them, by the way, who were on the host committee of the American Task Force on Palestine gala last week.&#8221; </p>
<p>So, as Ibish, a forceful advocate for Palestine points out, there has been a sea change in attitudes in Washington toward Palestine in the last two decades, embodied in part by Jewish legislators.  Now if the most retrograde members of AIPAC had the clout commonly ascribed to them, would they have permitted a consensus supporting the creation of a Palestinian state to emerge in Congress?  Again, there are, as Walter suggests real limitations to AIPAC&#8217;s influence.</p>
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